Slut Hate

I started having a large number of views from a site called Slut Hate, so thought to have a look. It is a forum for would-be PUAs.

“Pick-up artists”, in case you did not know. I did not understand the thread at first, but it seems Stirner is getting at a character called “Norwood Cemetery” by claiming that photos of me expressing myself female are photos of Norwood Cemetery, and also implying that the claim is as accurate as those of Norwood Cemetery about Stirner.

SlutHate is a vision of Hell: people being horrible and alone. They try to trick women and imagine the women are victims rather than playing their own games, and they bitch at each other. I thought of commenting, “Oh, you are such lovely boys! You must get laid so much that you have to join a web site to try and learn how to get laid!”

I joined, actually, and had a private message from someone: “chimp chump nigga”, which I think is insulting. I thanked him for his lovely welcome.

Then someone suggested that my features indicate I am a “Slayer”- an alpha male who gets laid a lot. They have a lot of jargon like that: hypergamy is dating above your league, and they give this insane explanation- note the mimicry of rationality: When women practice genetic hypergamy, this often leads to pregnancy. The good looking guy who impregnated the woman leaves her, so the woman now needs a source of income to care for her child, so she resorts to financial hypergamy. In other words, she marries the wealthiest man she can get. She then uses this beta provider’s money to care for her child she had from another man. Oh, do they? Really? Never marry, obviously: you would be being fooled and exploited, and get only illusions in return.

I suggested they look at another page of mine, which of course stopped their interest. They only look if they imagine they are being mean to someone.

Consider the names of the members on-line when I last looked:

Aristocracy, bennyb, Bing [Bot], Clare, gandytime, gold, Google [Bot], Icecutter101, Jack_the_raper, John Rambo, MiddleChild, Nightporter, OmegaKV, Perfectionist, PinV, Severe Aspie, ThereIsNoGame, thereturnofabulldog, Yahoo [Bot]

“Jack_the_raper”? Seriously? Some might be pitiable, some moderately clever with repartee, but some of these blokes are really nasty. Or just want to be seen that way, as a oneupmanship inexplicable to me.

Rules: Encouraging homicidal behaviour is prohibited
Any content that obviously and not out of jests advocates for suicide or the harming of another person. Saving for philosophically in depth thoughts on the subject
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What do you think? Are they all as vile as they affect to be?

Ingres, Marie Marcotte

93 thoughts on “Slut Hate

  1. Dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    What the HELL have you gotten yourself into, Clare. What a bunch of sad wankers – and I mean that; the majority of guys on that site must have a franchise in Kleenex, cos there ain’t no way they’re getting laid, girlfriend. But then I reckon one member, “Pillowhumper” already knows that.

    And to add to your names above, I have also spotted “ihateallwomen”, “Homo_Police” and “NiggerBasher”. Oh, what a lovely bunch of lads – they are not.

    Some of the topics have me in tears as well; “Sex is 90% illusion and nothing special”. Well, there’s someone – possibly a virgin – who really is NOT getting laid. “how to leave the basement? Serious”. ‘Exolim’ is patently NEVER leaving the basement. “Girls have no decency when it comes to rejection”. No, I think ‘Bulletsflyingby’ has no decency when it comes to rejection.

    Yes, they are as vile as they make out to be – and that is why not one of them is ever going to get a woman.

    Pick Up Artists? Please, no more; the mascara’s running down my face and my sides are hurting.

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  2. Hi. I am a member of sluthate called Thonis. I would not call myself vile and evil as a lot of the things that i say are just me expressing my anger and frustration. I do resent women but not to the extent that some people might think from reading my posts. I could easily mock you on our forum Clare, but i wouldnt mock you if i knew that you were reading it. I dont treat people badly in my personal life but i badmouth them online and say that they deserve to die and that they are degenerated freaks. I wouldn`t tell that to anyone, not because i am afraid to express myself but because i do not like to bother and offend others unless i am provoked to do so.

    I will be 21 in a month. I never had a girlfriend but thats not the part that bothers me that much. What bothers me is that no girl has ever showed interest in me in my entire life. If i cant get a single smile or a single compliment, what hope do i have of ever having a normal relationship? I am unwanted and i will struggle my entire life to find someone, and it will be even harder to find anyone who is decent as i will have no choice at all.

    A few weeks ago i started doing drugs because i can`t seem to be able to enjoy my life in any other way. I used to draw play games and do other things but lately i am unable to do any of that. Nothing excites me anymore. Every single day is the same unless i drug myself to the point where everything seems fun and i feel great.

    You have to understand that most sluthaters are just being edgy online and that majority of the real hate is a product of lonelyness and rejection.

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    • Hello.

      I don’t know what to make of this. The different typefaces are alienating, and for me the misspelling of “lonelyness” is too; and the lower case i- a sign, I find, of reduced self-esteem.

      No-one uses the handle Thonis on SlutHate. Also, the comment is too perfect, the stereotype of how outsiders might see would-be PUAs.

      If this is true, you have my sympathy, particularly for the lack of interest women show in you.

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      • I might have made many grammatical errors as i wrote that while still being dizzy from the events that occurred last night. I had a mental breakdown while returning home at around midnight and there is a voice recording of that on sluthate. I mixed ecstasy with cocaine and alcohol and for a while i thought that i was about to die. I wouldn`t call it a suicide attempt as i did not really plan it.

        Here is my sluthate profile. http://sluthate.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4036

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        • I am sorry. I searched the memberlist under T and did not find you, perhaps because you are recorded there as a “true virgin”. With 608 posts since March, more than four a day, you are a serious user, though I have some faint hope you are a feminist, mocking and trolling them.

          Oh, Thonis! Please don’t go there! A post like “I deserve to die” where you write “I really do. I am scum, trash and every otter filthy word. 😮 😦 :rambo: 💡 :uzi: 😯 ” gets the responses “yes you deserve to die” and “who’s [sic] got time for this bullshit”. Incidentally, “sic” is a way for us educated types to point out the solecisms of those less fortunate.

          No, you do not deserve to die. You deserve a full life. You are an ordinary, decent man, doing his best in difficult circumstances. You write “I think I am dying” and they tell you Don’t die yet dude, you have a whole life of inceldom to look forward to. I had to look up “incel”, meaning “involuntary celibate”. You wrote I deserve to have a group of people who care about me and yet the only person who cares is my mother. That has to be enough, right now. Learning to love yourself- I am still learning this- is a great lesson.

          I could be accused of the same thing, but your posts seem like cries for help. No-one is going to help you. At what AA calls “Rock Bottom”, all your illusions are stripped from you. Some people die before getting there.

          Not true. Your lack of status is not because you’re male but because you’re incel. An incel is a specific kind of sexual persona whereby the person is seen not to exist by wider society. An incel is treated as something like an object rather than a human being.

          That said someone like Bruce Jenner has way more status as a woman than he had as a man. So writes Stirner, named from Max Stirner, father of nihilism. This is not true; status comes from more than having sex, and status does not matter anyway: as you realise, you are worthy of care.

          I see you are also on Kiwifarms, with people mostly mocking you: Thonis the Sluthate Edgy Emo Eeyore has 45 pages and counting.

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          • I had close to 2000 posts at one point and i had them all deleted. My total post count would be around 2500 right now if i had not deleted my older posts. I am a well known poster on the website that has made some lies in the past including lying about hitting a girl. The truth is that a girl who was probably as drunk as i was bumped into me and yelled at me as if it was my fault. I called her a whore and walked away angry, a minute later 3 guys walked up to me and asked me: “What did you say to her?” . I got beat up and i still have a scar on my left ear from that time.
            I just wanted to come across as less pathetic and weak to my fellow members and so i lied about me hitting that girl.

            The only thing that makes me happy lately is imitating a mass shooter online as a sort of comedy act. I even have voice recordings where i behave like the said person. Sadly there is a lot of truth in my sick and twisted jokes.
            The downside is that i now have some people who insist on stalking me. Those people managed to obtain my private information and had made threats about exposing my online behaviour to my friends.

            Because of the threats i cut ties with my friends because i perfer to not see them again in case they ever come across the things i have said online. I did not know them that well as we have been hanging out only for the past few months. When i joined sluthate i was a friendless loser who had no friends for the past few years. Somehow i managed to find a friend soon after joining sluthate and he introduced me to other people but now i have no one again.

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            • I feel you need to talk to someone about all this, and not online.

              I thought I was disgusting. I self-identified as a man, a transvestite. I thought everyone would be disgusted with me. Then I shaved my body hair, and because I was inexperienced at this left scratches on the backs of both hands. My colleague asked me how they had happened, I went to her office and told her, and she wasn’t disgusted at all. I started to lose my burden of shame.

              You need to be careful about who you tell. But you do not come across to me as the mass-shooter type, just a child starved of Love. Lying boasts of being nastier than you are do not do you any good.

              I have thought of a similar comedy routine, though gone no further with it than a vague idea. Shock is a common tool of comedians.

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            • Be brave, Thonis, walk away from the website, not the real people. The thing about the internet is, this shit hangs around forever, so you can’t be a slave to it. Why on earth do you imagine you won’t find a partner to love? School is horrible, ok? And college is often an extension of that. We find our real friends and loves out there in the world, doing the things that interest us, and finding that other real people are interested in them too. You can walk out of hell at any time. But for God’s sake get help with the drugs, ok?

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  3. [Clare: Warning: Caamib uses an imagination even more limited than his understanding in an infantile attempt to shock. His comments are like a diseased child playing with its faeces. I have permitted his comments so far to show him off, as a specimen of the idiocies one may find on the internet.]

    Hi. Please read this essay to understand the-story-of-your-incel-an-inconvenient-truth

    If you shoot a woman on the street like a dog today you will be respected by women.

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    • Welcome, caanib, and thank you for commenting.

      I have removed your link. I did not read it all: disgusting rubbish like the following quote repelled me sufficiently not to go further. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female. – Elliot Rodger

      You call yourself a CoAlphaAntiModernistIncelBlogger Anti-modernist, anti-feminist, anti-liberal, anti-MRA, anti-seduction pro-patriarchy/reactionary blog on incel, love-shyness, decline of the Western civilization/modern culture, concept of coalpha men/society and life in general

      You have produced nothing worth reading. All I would understand after reading your essay is how deluded you are.

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      • Well, Clare, now that censored me with such gloating some facts

        That quote isn’t mine but written by me but, as is stated in what you quoted yourself, Elliot Roger. How I start the essay or describe myself is utterly irrelevant to any rational person.

        But thank you for proving just how intolerant liberals are, though I guess I am surprised you haven’t deleted my post and banned me completely.

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  4. It’s all very entertaining but I think you have misunderstood sluthate.com It is not “a forum for would-be PUAs.” It actually emerged out of a forum called PUA hate which was shutdown due to the actions of a user by the name of Elliot Rodger. They hate and reject the PUA ‘industry’ and are infact arch conservatives and disillusioned romantics when it comes to women

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/elliot-rodger-puahate-forever-alone-reddit-forums

    At least you’ve found a friend in Thonis though!

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    • Awww…. I have friends….

      I was talking to people only yesterday! IRL!!!

      (added) on the Kiwifarms forum, Rin the needlessly bitchy pigtails girl wrote, I feel for poor Clare. She’s at the start of the Thonis cycle, the point where he seems pitiful, but not completely unreasonable, the point where you want to help him out. Then he starts to get more attached. He shares personal details that you really didn’t need to know, he starts asking you about your own sex life, he mentions his obsession with shitty spree killers. Clare will probably tell him to cut it out. He’ll get pissy and start edgelording all over her. Finally, he’ll ragequit, swearing never to come back.

      And then, a few days later, it all starts over again…

      I would not say cut it out, it is better to ignore bad behaviour, perhaps, respond to the good behaviour. Attention seeking is not a bad thing- it is so Human.

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      • As you can probably guess, I’m the poster you quoted, though you rather unfortunately managed to misspell my name.

        It’s easy to feel sorry for people like Thonis – despite the fact that he joined using an image of spree killer Elliot Rodgers as his avatar and that he drew our attention by posting at length about the degeneracy of black people, many of us were sympathetic when he admitted to saying it for attention. Had he turned himself around, or even simply left, we would have been fine with him. However, he began to talk about how much he admired Rodgers, and claimed that he possessed undeniable charisma. Naturally, many people found this behavior offputting, and said so. Things escalated from there. People have suggested many times that he cease posting on Sluthate and seek therapy, but when he did attend therapy

        Moreover, I have been messaged by Thonis multiple times. His attitude towards me is extremely mercurial – he has demanded to see pictures of me, called me a fat cow, insisted that I should treat him kindly, inquired about intimate details of my sex life, and offered to show me something “private.” He has done the same to a number of our female users, as well as publicly making extremely homophobic and transphobic remarks.

        I pity Thonis, but I do not have any more sympathy for him.

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        • Welcome, Rin, and thank you for commenting. I am very sorry about your name: I do not normally have problems with three letter words. I will correct it.

          From that forum I read he tried to emotionally manipulate a girl that was in the same therapy group as him.

          It could just be my arrogance or ignorance. I say sensible things to Thonis, but would give up eventually. I hope he would not disgust me, though the private messages you mention are horrible.

          I wonder whether there is a link to obsessing publicly about mass-shooters, and being one. I hope that he does it from an infantile desire to shock, from attention seeking- at least he gets an emotional response, since he cannot get a pleasant one.

          I don’t believe anything he says. I think it unlikely he nearly died from alcohol and cocaine, only to boast of it on SlutHate a few hours later.

          WordPress spammed your second comment. I don’t know why: I hope I have stopped it. My comment policy for such as Caanis is “give them the rope”. Most people who come here are worthy of the space they use.

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      • Oh wow. Marjan Siklic. Hey, Caamib, are you Marjan Siklic?

        I don’t get that many comments, so thought I would ignore him for a bit, delete his links, then mock him or delete his comments.

        I tend to feel a comment like “Therapy doesn’t teach men to mutilate women. So it is useless.” is so worthless no-one will pay him any attention.

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        • So, let me see – you are not allowing my link but you’re allowing [adjective removed] people to try and dox me (with the wrong names, and they can’t even agree which one is correct), as they have no arguments other than sheer violence, and now you’re doing that too? This is your blog policy?

          No, I am not that person. Nothing there has anything to do with my views, which is obvious if you check my blog.

          A consent is a criminal act. A decapitated woman a sacred act. A defecation in woman’s mouth is a sacred act. These people want to suppress that so they can have white slaves while [offensive word removed] murder en masse.

          [Edited to remove ridiculous insult to someone who has not forfeited my respect.]

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  5. And the point of my comment was that a man who murders a woman is a great knight today. Therapy can’t teach you to murder women and be holy to other women. If you don’t decapitate women don’t see you as attractive.

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  6. Because you do know that nowhere did I gave out any full names and these losers are just following the mistake of some troll from no less than 2010? This is how you lead your blog?

    And, yes, you will be Christ to liberals if you kill a woman. To them that is your culture. If you’re white you must die and it’s a sin you’re even alive. You will be holy if you’re a [offensive word removed] who massacres women.

    [Aw, poor Caamib. Are people persecuting you? Awwww….

    My patience has run out with him, and I am now spamming his comments.]

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  7. I won’t deny anything that rin has said about me. I did mock their female and male members and i did attempt to creep and gross them out.

    Rin is a member of the forum dedicated to making fun of people who are mentally ill. Not only that but they do their best to find out private information about the people that they mock. Those same people boast about having Marijan’s home adress and it is right there on their forum.

    The same people doxxed me and archived my private facebook account which had my name and my friends on it. I begged them to delete it, not only for me but because i had one of their own members added on my facebook account.

    The guy trusted me and i wanted to protect his identity. But people like Rin refused to leave him out of it.

    After all they have done to me they still have the audacity to pretend like my behaviour towards them was not a product of their provocation.

    And if they have the balls to mock people who were born autistic they might aswell prepare to get mocked for being LGBT.

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    • Did you look at Caamib’s comments? Attempts to creep or gross out others give rapidly diminishing returns. And if you are provoked into it, the people who provoked you may laugh harder when you try. His comments are meretricious: useless to provoke thought, or tell truth, or inspire, or be evidence of anything but his own neediness and nastiness. No-one sane wants to look needy and nasty.

      I am not working at the moment. I get a great deal of human contact from social media, chiefly this blog. But I tend to be friendly, and most people commenting are friendly enough in return.

      Think what you are trying to achieve with your internet use. You probably get a brain-chemical release both from posting and from receiving responses: it may be that you get a bigger release from a negative response. And yet the fora make you miserable, and you feel bullied. You are not getting anything else than the shortest addictive hit from participating. Instead, you make yourself more miserable. Go back to your real life friends, or even your mother.

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  8. Clare i suggest to check out kiwifarms a community that thrives on mockery of autistic people. A forum dedicated to mocking Christian Weston Chandler. But if you ask Rin he deserves to be mocked for his actions because it’s not like his mental illness is affecting his behaviour.

    If you ask me, mocking every single minority on earth is better than stalking a single human being and mocking him for years.

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    • This page is them talking about themselves. A lolcow I see is someone whose foolish behaviour can be milked for laughs. The answer is, don’t be a lolcow. Or if you are- I don’t know how many people come here to laugh at me- know what you gain from it. Mental illness does not always prevent someone from seeing their internet postings are stupid, ridiculous or revolting, and should not be used as an excuse for all kinds of behaviour.

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    • I would politely ask you not to so generalize the Farms so much because you happened to have everyone laugh at you when you talked about getting mad a girl solely because she didn’t say hi to you. Generalizations can easily mislead an audience because it is easy to misinterpret an entire site based on one comment alone on said site.

      For instance, you could easily generalize SlutHate as a misogynistic site where its users mock women that have permanent scarring from acid splashed in their face, saying they deserved it for being sluts based on that one topic made a while back. It’s disingenuous and poisons discussion, Thonis.

      PS You ignored the part where the forum sent a care package to Chris to help him bounce back after his house burned down.

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      • From the Lolcow wiki: Normally, an individual will learn information about the issue and from there decide how they feel about that issue. I am normal enough for that, I assure you. Thonis’ testimony is part of the evidence I consider about your enterprise.

        Though, welcome. Thank you for taking part…

        From the same page, This may be solid proof of him being autistic since intense, narrow interests are a classic sign of autism. I am unsure about your project of laughing at people, or your choice of victims. From what your wiki says, Jace is an unattractive person, but what good do you do by mocking him? If you are not doing good, is finding people to laugh at a worthwhile enterprise? By all means do, but don’t be surprised if I, for one, feel queasy about it.

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  9. Clare, i am not upset because kiwifarms has my real name and some of my personal information. If i was i would not continue to provide them with new material and argue with them. I am just speaking for the people who get involved in their mess without wanting to. When i first joined kiwifarms i wanted a civil conversation like the one that i am having with you right now. I was naive back then, i trusted them and when i let my guard down they showed their true colors.

    I have been using them in order to get attention for a while now. It was not my original plan a few months ago but i just took whatever i could. A lot of the things i have said on sluthate were said just to push their buttons and to get them to ramble about me.

    I have no respect for them and so i will never be honest with them. They do not deserve my sincererity.

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    • You have no respect for them. So why do you want their attention? What do you gain?

      “People who get involved in their mess without wanting to.” Are their lolcows fair game, do you think, or are any innocent victims? And if there are innocent victims, can you point me to one? I prefer to laugh with rather than at people.

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      • https://kiwifar.ms/threads/kent-elliot-rodger-the-second.9043/

        https://kiwifar.ms/threads/leonard-f-shaner-jr-pedophile-foamer-shitlord.9940/

        The first one is Kent the second one is Shaner. Enjoy the view of the picture on Shaner’s thread called: “The face of down’s syndrome” . There are many more than just those two.

        Let`s just say that i have something planned for some of the kiwifarmers and so i stayed on their forum in order to obtain something. I have no use for them right now and so i left.

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        • Well you were there on Saturday.

          I had a look at the first of Kent’s videos. Women don’t care about his feelings, he says. Well, they probably do; but not enough to change their actions. We tend to prefer to let a man down gently, and only hurt him if he gets clingy or does not get the message. In Rejection part 7 he says “I was always meant to be a Loser”. Possibly. I don’t like his sudden shouting; but I don’t like the comparison to a mass-shooter, Elliot Rodger- would you believe I had not heard of Rodger before this post? I searched for justification for it, but there is so much stuff here I gave up. This is as far as I got. His persecution complex comes out wonderfully in this, talking about how people have always tried to spread rumors about him to try to stop him from getting a girlfriend. Surely there are more whiny people than mass-shooters.

          Yet he has put all this stuff up on the internet. When you do so, have you any right to complain about others laughing at you? Again, I am vulnerable to this. I tend to feel the answer is, don’t be a lolcow if you get upset by people laughing.

          As for Leonard Shaner, I find a “foamer” is a US railroad fan. According to a letter on that page he has engaged in “a variety of inappropriate and disturbing behaviors”. The alleged link to his criminal record timed out.

          Do even criminal acts make them fair game? Honestly, I don’t know. People from Kiwifarms: What makes someone fair game? Anyone got an answer to that?

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          • Clare if people publish something online and you mock them for it that’s okay unless those people are seriously mentally ill and can’t help themselves. But the problem with kiwifarms that not only will they mock some guy’s videos but they will try to track him down and mock his personal life too. That’s the creepy part about them.

            One of their member managed to get my number through doxxing me and finding my 4 years old facebook account that i haven`t used since 2012. The person threatened me and i had to change my number because of that.

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  10. It seems like my keyboard is messing up. Forgive me for that. I do not think that i am capable of defending myself at this point. My online persona is completely built on lies and explaining thousands of lies to someone would be a hard task.

    I am completely fine with people viewing me as disgusting human being.

    I hope you like the song. ^^

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    • The most disturbing thing you have said so far is i have something planned for some of the kiwifarmers which is vaguely threatening. I don’t feel you need defending. I feel you need to reform: don’t lie from now on, etc. I remember A-Ha, though not that song. I don’t believe people are ever disgusting, though acts can be. I found that sometimes where you type an apostrophe, your keyboard was replacing it with <code> which changed the typeface; so I edited your comment.

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  11. @Clare

    The definition of a lolcow is very broad, and generally encompasses a large range of ideas that, together, make people laugh or chuckle or simply be fascinated. Having a criminal record or being autistic or such can certainly help one BE a lolcow, but they are not the sole criteria we look for.

    For instance, a moderately successful thread will be:

    This is X. He does A, B, and C. He also has a tendency of acting like a loon in D, or being extremely hostile, like we see in E.

    Oh, wow, this guy is hilarious!

    Wow is he serious?

    etc. etc. etc.

    While a poor lolcow thread is:

    This is X. He does Y and it’s fucking dumb lol.

    It’s weird, but what else? He sounds boring.

    He does Y it’s weeeiiird!!

    Lurk more.

    We don’t go after people because they’re autistic. We go after them because they have some weird, immature shit like obsessing over Sonic or proudly posting their fetishes online, or are pathological liars or manipulators with a history of twisting the truth to get what they want. The fact that they’re autistic, or have a criminal record, or are ugly, or any of that shit is purely coincidential. We’re a community of weirdos and spastics, with gays, trans, autistics, etc. We have a degree of self-awareness and we don’t generalize often, or if we do it’s a throwaway joke and not the focus. We like interesting, funny people, and hell we get along with them if they’re nice about their weird habits. Half-Dude is a guy who fucks cars but he’s a chill guy and shared a lot of insightful things about his drawings and cars, so we love him and we have a pretty friendly relationship. In fact, one lolcow, a Tumblrina who identified as a tampon (iirc), was actually really polite about it and answered questions when we asked, and we parted on friendly terms when he asked for his thread to be closed and we obliged because, well, he was nice enough and it was polite to return the favor. We aren’t vindictive nor spiteful – be polite and don’t say anything blatantly stupid and we’ll like you. Hell, even if you say something blatantly stupid, just admitting it and laughing along with it instead of vehemently trying to deny and defend it will win you more friends. We’re all weirdos, but we just mock the people who get too fucking defensive about it. In essence, we mock people who don’t have any self-awareness, because they generally have it coming.

    And I’m not going to try and justify what we do. It’s a site that basically laughs and mocks people, and to most that’s unsavory and just downright meanspirited, whatever our reasons are. If you don’t like it, then that’s fine and we won’t attack you for it. Some people just don’t feel comfortable laughing at other’s expense, even if, debatably, they have it coming. What some of us don’t like is people overgeneralizing us, but even then a lot of us don’t really care. I guess what I’m trying to get at is that I understand your issues with the Farms. If you don’t approve, we understand and we’ll leave it at that. Our beef is with people who directly antagonize us.

    @Thonis

    I hope you realize you’re making no friends here and just showing how fucking unlikeable you can seem like at times. You’re humoring us because we can’t go a day without you? The Loveshy Therapy Center barely gets the traffic the rest of the site does. You are noticed by less than a quarter of the site, and a lot of us don’t even follow you exclusively. Adamska? Rin? Hickory? Myself? We’re all across the Farms. You and the rest of the Loveshies could literally vanish from the Internet and none of us would bloody care, because not only do we have other lolcows, but in general we have LIVES and better things to do than listen to how you couldn’t talk to some girl and somehow that’s her fault.

    And lol at you wanting a civil discussion. You take potshots at people you hate while in the company of others that tolerate you, but the MINUTE people bring up a contrary opinion or call you out, you clamp up and run off. You want an echo chamber, period. You call us despicable people, yet we have caps of you advocating the deaths of women, bragging about assaulting other women in other countries, or constantly PMing female Kiwis and flirting with them LONG AFTER THEY TOLD YOU TO PISS OFF.

    This is my last reply to you personally here, because I have no interest in turning this woman’s blog into your personal battlefield. If you wanna call me out, come back to the Farms and say it to my face you pussy. Don’t involve other people in your bitter Internet grudges.

    My apologies to Clare again for dragging all this drama into this blog. I’m willing to answer more questions of the Farms if you have them. Thonis can piss off until he regrows his dick and confronts us in an actual dialogue instead of shittalking us elsewhere.

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  12. Hello Clare!

    Excuse my tone when you first joined the farms. We’ve had several ex-users make dummy accounts to evade bans recently. I shouldn’t have jumped to conclusions.

    Thonis is not a chemically balanced person and certainly not honest. He’s been threatening mass murder and suicide for quite a while now. We can tell you more if you’re interested.

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    • Thank you for your comment. It confused me until I saw this thread. No, I am not renrits. I have heard of Tor but never used it. When I saw renrits’ original posting I started to make an account there to tell him not to pick on Thonis, then I searched “Thonis” on Kiwifarms and forebore. Had I shared my own post on Kiwifarms, I would have said it was my site.

      Thonis has admitted lying here, though I have not dug deep enough to find any death threats either on KF or SH. I really do not want the details. I have had enough, as well, of Caamib’s rebarbative blitherings, which are like very very poor Dada. But I wondered- I asked Thonis to name your innocent victims, and he mentioned Kent. Why archive the videos? He says a great deal of silliness on video, why should he not have the right to destroy it if he wishes? And why compare him to a mass shooter?

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      • “Why archive the videos? He says a great deal of silliness on video, why should he not have the right to destroy it if he wishes? And why compare him to a mass shooter?”

        The Internet is a place where people can say many despicable things and then delete them on a whim, but it’s also a place where many people can archive these horrible things for posterity. A huge problem many people have had is the Anonmity that the Internet gives you that allows you to get away with saying, advocating, or doing many horrible things so long as you bury it under enough dirt or simply just delete it with a click of a button. Again, we value self-awareness. If these people were mature about content that they had made before, then it wouldn’t be an issue, but instead they just draw a lot of drama to old things that many people probably had forgotten about.

        We all make mistakes, but we can’t always take them back. When you post something on the Internet, you bear the responsibility of it being up there possibly forever. We intend to hold them up to their mistakes. If these people wanted to take the high ground, they could accept that, yes, they made horrible mistakes in the past and they no longer stand by them. The Loveshy Therapy Center (the forum where Thonis posts a lot) has a few former Loveshies who no longer stand by the values that they had posted before. Their former content is probably still up there and can possibly still be tied to them if people looked hard enough, but the point is that they simply don’t care. It was a mistake they did a long time ago, and they’ve long since outgrown it.

        As for the comparisons, it’s because a lot of his rhetoric mirrors the infamous Elliot Rodger, the guy who went on a killing spree at UC Santa Barbara only a few years back (which REALLY hits home to me, as that was one of the unis I almost went to and also where one of my closest friends goes to). It has been shown that this type of thinking has been tied to mentally unstable and possibly dangerous people, so we find it a bit… unsettling that people would so readily embrace it.

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        • I have learned a lot since encountering your forum. I have learned of Elliot Rodger– this comment made me pity him: Things will be fair once I make them suffer as I did. Aww, really? “Unfair”? I have learned of “Loveshyness”– this part of the description, A lack of interest in forming friendships, and social interactions, with the only real desire being that of obtaining a partner, is where I begin to find it icky rather than pitiable.

          I have found murderous fantasies make me feel better. Most people have them. Sharing them might reduce shame and fear around them. I would bet a majority of the SlutHaters go a bit Elliot occasionally. They are not all going to go on a rampage.

          Then again, fetishes. I have had my gonads removed. Some people think this weird and disgusting. Had I read a blog like this when I was ten my life would have been very different, because until I was thirty I thought it weird, delusional and disgusting too. So I am in favour of sharing weird fantasy as a way of liberation. I can’t go back to presenting male. I am learning to bear expressing myself feminine. Your laughter would not make it easier. Yet, weird as I am, I cannot look down on Furries or body-dysmorphics, or even the Love-shy.

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      • “Thank you for your comment. It confused me until I saw this thread. No, I am not renrits.”

        That clears that up then. He/she was posing as you for some reason. It’s probably nothing but it’s an example of how these people behave.

        “He says a great deal of silliness on video, why should he not have the right to destroy it if he wishes? And why compare him to a mass shooter?”

        Because he compares himself to Eliot Rogers, an american mass shooter from a year ago. His manifesto ‘my twisted world’ has been hailed by many of the ‘incel’ as a call to arms. This is disturbing for obvious reasons.

        Thonis has made many posts about committing violence. These range from the comical ‘How much butane does it take to blow up a house’ to graphic descriptions murdering people.

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        • Here is my murder fantasy. There are a number of semi-derelict nuclear bunkers about. I would lock a number of people who hurt my family badly in one, with a large supply of bottled water and sharp knives, with the message “He who kills, eats” painted on the walls and the lights set to go on then off for random periods between one minute and 24 hours.

          “You’ve thought quite a lot about this, haven’t you?” asked a friend. Actually, I have no way of finding who or where the wrongdoers are.

          It is a way of releasing tension. No biggie. Elliot Rodger put up some Youtube videos, then took them down after the police called to see if he was suicidal. If I were planning to kill someone I would keep very, very quiet about it.

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          • I do not recall making any direct threats towards anyone or any group of people. I never said i will do something i only said i wish i would or i wish i could but even that was done months ago.

            I do not believe that i have committed any serious offense so far and i am an unarmed man. There is no way that i would be detained for more than a few months without any solid proof of me planning out a mass murder.

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            • How much butane does it take to blow up a house? I would have thought burning it down with petrol a better bet. I have never worked out, in my murder fantasies, how Not to Get Caught, which is important to me. Oops sorry strike that- would be important to me, I’m not going to kill anyone, No, really I’m not…

              “Edgy emo eeyore” is not as bad as “Elliot Rodger the Second”. I noted your picture on kiwifarms was Eeyore. As far as I am concerned, if you are worried about being Good not Bad, going to Heaven not Hell, where you are on a spectrum from Nelson Mandela to Josef Stalin, I think you are Good Enough; just a little too easy to milk for lulz.

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  13. Clare i do not mind the jokes at my own expense and i am even willing to play along to some extent as long as people do not become too rude.

    There are only a few words that are capable of making me feel anything but sometimes people just use the right combination and then it stops being funny to me.

    Also that butane thing was a joke i made just to get someone who knows something about explosives to educate me on the subject.

    I do not have any plans for kiwifarmers. My life will get better and i will leave both sluthate and kiwifarms for good or i will kill myself.

    I am still trying to do something with my life and i am returning back to school soon after taking a 2 year long break.

    Being a loveshy is only a part of my problems. It’s a mix of many things and insecurities that made me behave like this for the past few months.

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  14. Hi, I know you’ve had plenty of people from KiwiFarms here already, but I’d like to add my two cents:

    I don’t know Thonis all that well, although he sure seems pretty disturbed, but I’ve interacted with Marijan (aka “caamib”) a bit, and, IMO, the man is sick. Really fucking sick. Nothing short of serious professional help is going to fix that guy. Honestly, the dude is fucked up enough that I wonder if his issues don’t have some kind of hereditary element, and his “involuntary celibacy” is just natural selection in action.

    As far as “incels” as a whole go, even if you could enlighten a few of them, why bother? While they expect everyone else to afford their inability to get laid with the same gravity as we would some kind of crime against humanity, I’ve never seen a single one of them express any real empathy towards anyone outside their virgin hugbox communities. Really, they just seem to be egocentric pricks who can’t find a relationship because they’re so obviously unworthy of being loved. So, If you wanted to give advice to some troubled individuals, I think you would be better off looking for ones with some morally redeeming qualities.

    So, unless you enjoy mocking them (in which case I’m sure you’d be welcome at KiwiFarms), you’d probably be better off not responding to them at all. Remember, these guys have pretty much no life, and they can and will spend a frightening amount of time online defending their bullshit put-upon worldview.

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    • Welcome.

      Don’t worry, I know caamib only from his comments. See my annotations for my opinion of them.

      “Hugbox”– another word which was new to me. Around 2001, I was in two yahoo groups for trans folk, which were not as simple as that, but might have so been seen from outside. And, like here, I did not give unquestioning credence to everything I read there.

      Empathy begins with people facing the same situation as onesself. Some people do not even get that far. It can then expand to people facing situations one can imagine facing, or even situations one could never imagine facing. But it must start with people just like you.

      I came across the term “whiteknighting” on Kiwifarms, which I imagine means trying to rescue or fix people. I do. I am unattached to outcomes, and notice the results my efforts achieve, so I know when to give up. Thonis shows some self-awareness. Yes it would be nice if he would respond to something I said about something other than himself- there are other posts than this one on my blog- but he’s young.

      I find his command of English as an additional language excellent. Then he goes off on one, or shares a fantasy- always trying to get one up on others, sometimes by self-abnegation- well, even people on kiwifarms do that. I like him.

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  15. Clare you seem like a good person. KiwiFarms seem a bit like the internet version of the schoolyard bully or the cool kids. The bullying cool kids don’t want to be seen as bullies but rather that they are justified in their bullying and thus they have bombarded you with their justifications.

    Since you yourself are not a cool kid or bully I don’t think you are particularly impressed and you take people as they come. In the case of caamib I find it puzzling. I don’t know whether he is really the guy they say he is but I’ve always found him to be reasonable but somewhat touchy. I can’t explain what has provoked his latest behavior. Maybe some sort of transphobia or something I don’t know.

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    • Caamib. Use of the N word. Well, really. If you’re white you must die and it’s a sin you’re even alive. You will be holy if you’re a [offensive word removed] who massacres women.

      I went back to his article, and really could not be bothered. This is a developed omega society, apparently: These are modern feminist societies. These are societies which were once successful and are now in decline. Some of the reasons why they’re in decline, paradoxically, have to do with their success. This is because they essentially use their own wealth, that was created prior to feminism, to destroy their own substance, thanks to liberalism. He claims he is incel because he is co-alpha, one of the constructive creative building blocks of civilisation, rather than omega. Ha.

      And I want to clarify what it means for feminism “to run its ugly course”. What it means is the destruction of civilization, usually permanently. He is an eejit.

      Mmm. “Cool kids”. That makes sense.

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  16. I said I wouldn’t reply to Thonis here, but there was one thing he mentioned here that I wish to address, as well as just one last thing.

    @Thonis
    Despite what most of the Kiwis have said, most of us actually want you to not kill yourself and want you to be better. What we frown upon, though, is suicide baiting, and you’ve said you were going to kill yourself, like, three or four times on the forum. This is a good way to get people really pissed as people who have actually dealt with suicidal people or have had a suicide happen close to them don’t like having this kind of emotional investment thrown around as a way to get attention. I just thought I should mention.

    @Clare, jtteop
    I get the comparison of the “schoolyard bullies” or the “cool guys.” It can easily come off as that to someone looking on the outside and, quite honestly it can sometimes turn into that if things get out of hand. What we do and why we do it is difficult to explain as anything other than “yeah this guy is hilarious we should laugh at it” and the only real way to sufficiently explain it is to browse some of the more popular threads in some detail. I can see many people saying that they have better things to do than look at a bunch of pages of “hatred and vitriol,” and I can’t argue with that. The very idea that we laugh at other people for our enjoyment is a very polarizing thing and some people just can’t get over that. This is something most of us just accept. If you don’t like the Farms, that’s a perfectly acceptable opinion and we won’t really press it further. It’s not the sort of thing most people will feel comfortable enjoying or doing.

    That being said, I hope we haven’t offended you or brought too much unnecessary drama to this blog.

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    • I am not offended, and have seen things I think are worse, on the internet. Thank you for taking the time.

      I was wrong about SlutHate, though. I thought they were PUAs, and rather they talk a lot about getting laid, but from a different perspective. I thought incel was an insult, at first, but now see it is something some people adopt as a label, seeing themselves as victims of great impersonal social forces. I may pop back to Kiwifarms, but don’t think I’ll join: wordpress is my preferred social media.

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    • I wonder how you eluded the spam filter. Oh well. Anyone giving a moment to wondering whether your description of me is other than insane need only consider any other page of this blog. My comment policy is, “Don’t bore me”, generally, but I have no problem with letting you show off your idiocy, now this post has had most of its views. Few people will get as far as your drivellings.

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      • Clare, I have no problem with showing my intelligence as well if I am not censored. I am wondering how and if the idiot who made those accusations against me will respond. If he does you can bet dollars to doughnuts it will be something completely batshit.

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        • Would that be the Krispy Kreme Original glazed doughnut, at 99c?

          “Intelligence”. Um. It has some value, I suppose, but in your case it gets in the way of you playing nicely, co-operating, having any chance of persuading anyone who was not entirely in agreement with you beforehand, or achieving anything beyond giving the kiwifarmers a good giggle.

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            • You see, no-one is a “mental patient like them”. Every person is an individual. I have known people sectioned under the mental health act, and people living at home with schizophrenia: all were individuals. Some could have been convinced of some things, some not.

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            • I think it is pretty obvious what I meant. My goal wasn’t to insult people with mental illness. It was to insults monsters so indoctrinated that they hate all but those who they were told not to hate.

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            • I praised it that way for they are crazy, just in another way. As for your second sentence, I don’t agree. Most of them even here said the same mushy bullshit that meant nothing.

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  17. @Anonymous Sumerian Monarch

    You never explain why I am what you claim I am.
    Incel is much more than sex in sane societies and to sane people. Not so to modern Western women, who see anything but being raped and their eyes cut out a crime.
    Need for relationships, sex and procreation is one the basic human needs. You have no empathy for that, you have no empathy for [offensive word removed] who’ll massacre women in thousands due to policies you support, and then you accuse incels of having no empathy for others based on what? Nothing.

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  18. Also, Sumerian, regarding that nonsense about genetics – when I treated with with [sic; “women with”?] respect like my forefathers did I was hated by them.

    When I impregnated a schizophrenic woman, realized consent is a liberal lie and other things I was more successful. You do the math.

    [Oh God! This is a boast about raping someone! I had thought he could be no more repellant!]

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    • Clare, raping? These people, including you, are supporting things like seduction and women’s suffrage. These are the greatest evils in the history of the world. Raping women, even chaste women, is like spitting on the sidewalk compared to that.

      [Again, YUCK. Rape is rape. That rape of “chaste” women might be worse than other rape- ]

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          • “The British House of Commons was democratically elected”- in 1776? Such ignorance! 60% of men did not get the vote in GB until 1918!

            government law is primarily designed to govern men and to prohibit certain typical male behaviors. Typical bad female behavior is rarely if ever regulated by the government. So what governs women? My answer is primarily peer pressure and cultural norms. Women are more social than men are, and are more sensitive to social pressure. Social pressure is not enough to make men behave, men must face the threat of punishment to control their behavior. But for women, social shaming is enough to regulate most behavior. What of taxes, infrastructure, education, health…. Government is far more than criminal law.

            men evolved to have the right instincts for governing. In particular, men have a strong sense of fairness, of loyalty to a group, and an instinct to protect everyone, including women and children, in the group. Women have none of these instincts. Women developed instincts suited to their role in primitive tribes, which was primarily focused on the family and on personal connections. Women excel in these areas, none of which have anything to do with good governance. The extreme difference between men and women is obvious to anyone who hasn’t been brainwashed by feminism. Consider how a man reacts to a woman crying out in distress compared to how a woman would react to a man crying out in distress. With her nurturing instinct, perhaps, checking for injury, making sure he is alright?

            “Women will vote for men who they would date.” So what about female candidates? Perhaps they get the lesbian vote!

            BTW, I am not in favour of seduction, but of long term relationships.

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  19. “Such ignorance! 60% of men did not get the vote in GB until 1918!”

    So your definition of democracy is that everybody gets to vote? Was Ancient Athens a democracy? You do know that large portions of the population there couldn’t vote for elected leaders?

    “What of taxes, infrastructure, education, health…. Government is far more than criminal law.”

    He is talking about criminal law there. Why would he need to speak about everything? Seems like a red herring, dear.

    “With her nurturing instinct, perhaps, checking for injury, making sure he is alright?”

    In the case of a grown man a woman permanently loses sexual interest for him in that case.

    “So what about female candidates? Perhaps they get the lesbian vote!”

    I don’t know, but they shouldn’t be in politics anyway.

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    • Well, art is not evidence, but the plot of “Back to the Future” turns on a young woman being attracted to a man because she sees him the victim of an accident.

      Before the Reform Act 1867, only one million of the seven million adult males in England and Wales could vote. Before the Reform Act 1832, there were “pocket boroughs” where the local landowner could get the candidate he wanted elected, and “Rotten boroughs” where the population was small, so had a disproportionate influence.

      Women politicians? Margaret Thatcher?

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      • Back to the Future is 80s cheese and certainly no evidence of anything but that 80s seem goofy now.

        I explained the voters thing above.

        As for Margaret Thatcher, I do like her, yes, but I don’t think women are generally good in politics . Best societies in history (coalpha societies) were ruled by a group of men.

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        • You did not explain, merely denied. During the 4th century BC, there might well have been some 250,000–300,000 people in Attica. Citizen families could have amounted to 100,000 people and out of these some 30,000 would have been the adult male citizens entitled to vote in the assembly. So about a third of adult males. A better democracy than the oligarchies, of course, but talk to the slaves about how fair it was.

          Attracted to vulnerability.

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          • “You did not explain, merely denied.”

            What is this pertaining to? This democracy thing? Ok, so you don’t see Ancient Athens as a real democracy. Or any democracy. fschmidt does.

            Is that it?

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            • To summarise, the article you linked is ignorant and, to use your elegant phraseology, “batshit crazy”.

              No, Britain was not a democracy in 1776. With the franchise a tiny minority, pocket and rotten boroughs, the influence of the House of Lords and the King, restrictions on religious non-conformists, and sedition laws, Britain was not democratic.

              Women do not respond differently to male suffering from the male response to female suffering, sufficiently to deny women the vote.

              Women may not be so often punished by the criminal law, but (except for black men in America) a tiny minority of people are incarcerated. The democratic interest in criminal law is the protection we receive from it, as well as the restrictions we suffer. Women have an interest in all other activities of Government.

              By all means read rubbish like that, divorced from reality, and even contribute to it, refining the words expressing the idiocy, agreeing with other fuckwits. I let you comment here to exhibit your maladies, for the entertainment and derision of sane people. I begin to sympathise with the kiwifarmers.

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            • Hi. I’ll reply to this a bit later since I gotta go now. Thank you for at least making some arguments instead of just insulting me, posting some bs doxx I set up years ago myself and lying about me.

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