God was not a fun one

I had this comment:
قل هوالله احد الله الصمد لم يلد ولم يولد ولم يكن لهو كفوان احد

Well. There is always Google translate: Say Hoallah one God Samad begets not and was not a fun one Kovan. From the context, I thought Samad meant LGBT, but in fact it is The Eternal, a name for God. Instead of cursing the gays, he is denying the divinity of Jesus, a doctrine about which I am agnostic. Kovan is more difficult. It is unlikely to mean the suburb and Underground station in Singapore; Google gives me no likely meaning.

I understand that some Muslims believe that the Koran should not be translated: the revelation was in Arabic, and translating it changes the words. Revelation says, If anyone adds anything to [the words of prophecy], God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. In Oldham, the Asian children go to Koran classes after school, and learn the alphabet and how to read it by rote, with little understanding. The trouble is that I do not understand it. If you speak to me, please make some effort to help me understand. I am doing all the work here.

I replied that Jesus is God’s son, and we are God’s children. He said,
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتة يا اهل الكتاب تعالو الي كلمة سواء بيننا وبينكم الا نعبد الاالله والانشرك بة شيء فان توليتو فشهدو بانا مسلمون المسيح علية السلام رسول عظيم من رسل الله وفقك الله الخالق لم يحب ويرضا

Google translate gives “Peace, mercy and blessings of God, O People of the Book ĘÚÇáć word to both you and us, but we worship and Alllah Alanscherk expe something the Tlito Vhhdo PANA Muslims Christ peace be upon him a great messenger of God’s messengers of God the Creator and enabled you did not like and Aarza”. Unhelpful.

They deny that I am a follower of Jesus. Oh. OK. Well, the Koran has Jesus deny his divinity: God will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, “Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God”? He will say: “Glory to thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I have not known what is in thine. For thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

More googling. I found a page which says how Muslims should address Christians: dispute ye not with the People of the Book except with means better (than mere disputation) unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say “We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow. So, perhaps this commenter only wanted to say what he was commanded to say, in the way he was commanded to say it- “I’m right, and you are wrong”. And, having said it, he is absolved from any responsibility for my descent to Jahannam. Oh well. At least he wanted to say something.

11 thoughts on “God was not a fun one

    • Well, given that Mohammed is allegedly the general who conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantine empire, and areas of the Persian empire which had subsisted since the sixth century BC, you would think that there would be contemporaneous sources mentioning him, and coins. There aren’t. He could indeed be invented.

      Edit: Oops, no, that was later, the visit to Jerusalem was a fantasy:


      but still the point holds: rampaging about the Arabian peninsula, he would have come to the attention of the Byzantines.

      Alm, my little dicky bird, what do you mean by this? “Not all women”- you’re not insulting me, are you?


      We might agree that Alm denying the divinity of Christ is ridiculous, though for different reasons.

      More: for Muslims, the Will of God is unfettered, so some believe in Occasionalism rather than causation: heat follows fire or hunger follows not eating as a matter of habit, rather than necessity. So science becomes pointless.


  1. السلام عليكم يا اهل الكتاب لا تغلو في دينكم الا الحق ما كان الله سبحانة ان يتخذ ولد كما خلق الله الكون من عدم بكلمة كن وخلق ادم من ترا ب وخلق حواء من ضلع ادم خلق الله المسيح علية السلام بكلمة كن من الطاهرة المطهرة السيدة مريم التقية النقية الصالحة

    Edit: Google translate gives “Peace be upon you, O People of the Book do not Tglu in your religion, but the right was not God Almighty to take Born as God created the universe is not the word of Be and the creation of Adam of liters of creating Eve from Adam’s rib God created Jesus word Be of pure disinfectant Mary pious pure valid”


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