“Autogynephilia”

Autogynephilia is far less important than some people think it is.

If the concept of gender dysphoria has any value at all, then it would be impossible for a man to bear living as a woman for years, especially if he were not aroused by it: and many so called autogynephiliacs no longer are.

Unfortunately, you will read otherwise in many places on the internet. No links here, I do not want to give the writers publicity (though if they comment they will be published and have a fair hearing). The theory is that autogynephilia is a paraphilia, or perversion: the helpless man gets so turned on by imagining himself as a woman that he wants to spend all his time dressed as one. He does not look particularly feminine, and is generally seen as a transsexual rather than as a woman. Eventually he reverts to presenting male because it is all too painful.

In reality, trans women who are attracted to other women, rather than to men, find the thought of themselves as women sexually arousing: but this is a symptom, rather than a cause, of gender dysphoria. Whether a person is attracted to men or to women is independent of whether they are male or female- as any gay person will tell you. We masturbate, and this is a fantasy we have when masturbating; and then we transition, because however hostile and prejudiced society is, it is better than presenting male. That is, we are gender dysphoric. Unfortunately, Ray Blanchard, who coined the term “autogynephilia”, believes that it is an “erotic target location error”, a developmental disorder leading to being aroused by onesself rather than another person.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Francisco_de_Goya_y_Lucientes_-_Saturn_Devouring_One_of_his_Children_-_WGA10109.jpgI have held a lot of shame around autogynephilia. I have even suppressed my sexuality because I have found it too traumatic. This year I have dealt with that shame, and I want no-one to suffer it.

Here are pages showing my progress in addressing the shame, and discussing the phenomenon:  Autogynephilia, Autogynephilia Revisited, Autogynephilia III, James Cantor, and Reverting.

Jack Molay has two sites which have links to resources and a great deal of exposition about these phenomena. I do not agree with everything Jack writes, but have high respect for him.

There are suggestions of the existence of Autoandrophilia: people born with ovaries, attracted to men, and being aroused by the thought of themselves as men. The article linked is for subscribers only, but here is the abstract:

Two cases of gender-dysphoric genetic females who describe a sexual attraction to phenotypic males are reported. After outlining their individual histories, the authors note common clinical features of this subtype of transsexualism. Similar characteristics have also been found in the few cases of heterosexual transsexualism in genetic females reported by others. Familiarity with the distinguishing features of this subgroup could assist clinicians in diagnosing and treating such patients.

Another article compares trans men’s sexual orientation, remembering that the word “homosexual” is used of a trans man who is attracted to women:

Homosexual and nonhomosexual (relative to genetic sex) female-to-male transsexuals (FTMs) were compared on a number of theoretically or empirically derived variables. Compared to nonhomosexual FTMs, homosexual FTMs reported greater childhood gender nonconformity, preferred more feminine partners, experienced greater sexual rather than emotional jealousy, were more sexually assertive, had more sexual partners, had a greater desire for phalloplasty, and had more interest in visual sexual stimuli. Homosexual and nonhomosexual FTMs did not differ in their overall desire for masculinizing body modifications, adult gender identity, or importance of partner social status, attractiveness, or youth. These findings indicate that FTMs are not a homogeneous group and vary in ways that may be useful in understanding the relation between sexual orientation and gender identity.

“The relation between sexual orientation and gender identity”- I would say that the study shows that sexual orientation is not linked to gender identity, and that a trans man may be attracted to either sex and still a “genuine” trans man.

Anne Lawrence in 2009 wrote of a man, attracted to men, who found the thought of making his body more masculine erotic.

This page is a work in progress: any suggestions gratefully received in the comments.

21 thoughts on ““Autogynephilia”

  1. only our dichotomous western world would come up with only two potential choices in all the variety of gender-dom, then try to label anything not one or the other as an “illness”. ACK! we want choicechoicechoice when we walk down the grocery store aisle–a hundred different kinds of soap and toothpaste, but only two ways to be a human being…? i say it again: ACK!
    i like the idea of 5 (or really infinite) gender “roles”, that this blog post introduces…i hope this suggestion is a helpful addition to your dialog.
    http://avantourists.com/2012/06/26/granny-has-a-secret/#comment-2850

    • Thank you for that. I had not heard of “Calabai” before. We do tolerate different ways of being human, jocks and geeks for example, but there is a hierarchy of value of these, according to ideas of Manliness. Dichotomous, yes, in or out, for or against, true or false, rather than complex, shifting, subtle reality. We do get better.

      • ah, hierarchy of value within the variety of dichotomies? complex…it just is so exhausting sometimes, all the intolerance and expectations, the hate (as you say in your other entry) attached to the values. your patience and wisdom is engaging and hopeful; a calm center.

      • Thank you.

        We connect with people with fewer demands, greater calmness. Your 5 Rhythms class will have some. It is beautiful. There are more of us.

    • What Tsena said. The polarisation into binary of what simply has to be a range of variaton and thus expressive of infinit gradations, is a bizarre and very unhelpful element of contemporary Western thinking. We really need to get rid of this approach.

  2. Have you heard of the Berdache or lhamana? I will have to dig through my old anthropology notes to feel completely confident in this comment, but I am going to enter this anyway and hope I do not offend. As far as my memory goes, Berdache was a French name given to people in Native American tribes (pre-industrial) who were born male but lived as female in their tribe.They were valued for their spiritual knowledge and mediation abilities; they were people who “walked the edge” not unlike a shaman, I believe, and could therefore offer a deeply wise perspective to their people. Of course, now I will have to look up my anthro notes…but I think that Western psychology simply reveals its own odd prejudice about making everything anal, oral, and sexual when we are so much more complex than our orifices. And…I may be simplifying this, but shouldn’t we all love ourselves enough to get turned on by our own damn beauty regardless?

    • You certainly do not offend. Where I see no intent or recklessness to offend, I am slow to take offence. Nor do you upset me. I had not heard of Lhammana, so thank you.

      It is not just psychology. I think Christianity has lost a lot of its appeal in the West because it is infected with that desire to classify, wrong/right, either/or, etc, rather than being a Path. As for Beauty-

      • Thank you, Clare, I am glad.
        Yes, I (and my opinions) am a spoil of the spoils of Christianity (what has been lost), so I understand what you are referring to, I believe. ;) It lost its appeal to me long ago, yes. It is a testament that you remain engaged, though, which piques my curiosity about YOUR unique Path; your open heart within a faith that looks so closed to me is intriguing. There is wisdom you have which I know very little about; I am now curious because of you…
        I enjoy dialoguing with you, it is validating, refreshing, and intellectually open. I will go read your post on Beauty soon…

    • You can take this much further back. We know that devotees of the Phrygian goddess Cybele would self-castrate; Cybele was brought to Rome at the time of the Punic Wars (those with Carthage) and this continued there. However Cybele is descended from Inanna, and I have read sources that claim that self-castration was a part of her worship too. Since Inanna was a Sumerian goddess, she is one of the oldest deities we know of. The practice continues amongst the hijra of India. Whatever the causes of transsex and transgender, they are not of the modern world, but very, very ancient.

  3. Fascinating, and well written. I’ve been an out gay man for 17 years, and though I’ve always been open-minded, I admit to being in the dark when it comes to gender identity issues. I feel I lucked out in that I was born male, enjoy being male, and enjoy being attracted to males. I can’t even imagine how difficult gender dysmorphia would be to deal with. So I am making a point to educate myself. More people should do the same.

    • Thank you.

      Your luck in having Southern Baptist ministers for your father and sister is- well, wonderful that they accept you, and that must have been a journey. I had to look up “gender dysmorphia” and could find no other uses of that phrase: and dysmorphia itself is seen as an emotional disorder, and we need a word, probably coined by ourselves, which states unequivocally that it is the physical development of sex characteristics which is the illness or problem, and not the dysphoria. Thank you for taking an interest. That matters, I need people to know about our condition.

      • Our Evangelicals are more liberal than those in the US. Methodists and Baptists often accept gay people, the Church of Scotland, the established Presbyterian church, is to discuss ordaining out gay men, and the Church of England’s opposition to equal marriage is more from its desire to placate Anglicans in Africa than to reflect the views of its members.

        I wanted to check that Bob Jones University was actually preaching that “God intended segregation of the races and that the Scriptures forbid interracial marriage” as late as 1982. I am saddened to see it was. It has since apologised.

      • You definitely don’t want to know the origins of the Southern Baptist denomination, then. They broke off during 1845 because they defended slavery. Church leaders at the time considered Blacks to be descendants of Noah’s cursed son Ham; thus, slavery was ordained by God and justified. It took them 150 years (in 1995) to apologize.

        Sick, huh?

    • Welcome, MacShreach, and thank you for commenting. I thought, “macshreach”- Scottish? “MacShreach”- probably Scottish; then I read “utter pish” and was sure. Wha’s like us?

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